you hear some talk about joe biden running for president. i personally wouldn't expect it, but can't rule it out. jared, you worked for him. >> i personally wouldn't expect it either, but exactly what you said. you never want to rule these things out. i think politicians at that level think about being the president. it's just a natural thing. one thing i will say about vice president biden is, boy, is his stock riding high. he has been integral to so much during that first term. some of it you didn't see early on or you didn't see much of. marshaling the recovery act. but in recent months obviously -- >> and he was the dealmaker. he was the one who sat down with mcconnell, and mcconnell said get me biden. >> he's got these old-school skills that have turned out to be extremely important lately. >> one other thing, to the extent -- back to the original question about what the administration or the president could do for the economy and for investing. you know it would be -- i know there was a period where he had to show his disdain, american